Both the Cardiff Blues website and the Magners league site have replaced TBA on their historic fixture lists. I wonder why?
http://www.cardiffblues.com/168.php?includeref=574&season=2006-2007
http://www.magnersleague.com/matchcentre/fixtures_list.php?includeref=2270&season=2001-2002
I thought it was only the communists that re-write history!
Hands OFF
I've actually email the CB website and Bob Norster to ask what the problem is but no reply
Knowledge is knowing a tomato is a fruit. Wisdom is not putting it in a trifle.
I've done the same with the ML. We wait to see.
But he knows you are both Cardiff RFC members & supporters so why should he reply to members & supporters of a Rugby Club that has been expunged from the history of Cardiff Blues, such as it is !
Now Cardiff RFC has been expunged, tomorrow Cardiff will be expunged, don't worry it's all being done in compliance with Tina's vision of our new regional identity where Cardiff has become just another town in the "Blues" region !
Following Cardiff RFC all over from sunny Bournemouth in Blue and Black
I've not wasted time with Bungalow. I've contacted David Jordan (Magners League).
This has certainly expunged any thoughts I had about visiting SdR again.
Assuming I haven't got the wrong end of the stick here, I wonder what possible, legitimate reason was given to persuade Celtic Rugby (The Magners league) to amend their records?
Will there be questions asked by the Rugby section? Will we know if they do?
ERC still have the venue listed as Cardiff Arms Park but I gather Cardiff Blues have already been on to them to say that Cardiff Arms Park no longer exists and the closest approximation you can get to it is TBA so would they amend their records accordingly !
I've started to get the overwhelming feeling that hardly anyone gives a shit and all that matters to those on the board of CRFC is the sale of CAP. Maybe i'm wrong, but that is how I feel at this present time.
Only started ?
There are quite a few of us that realised Cardiff RFC were being sold down the river some time ago by Thomas and his lackeys, which unfortunately included the THEN Cardiff Athletic Club Management Committee.
I realised that too Al, but obviously a lot later than you did. I'm still learning if you like. I'll probably make an arse of myself now, but I don't care. Feel free to correct me.
What I was trying to say was that I expected to hear something from someone intimately involved either with CAC or a CRFC board member voicing their opinions publicly or at an AGM at least, but nothing. There doesn't seem to be anybody with big enough balls to say enough is enough. Erasing CAP from history? Isn't that the last straw? There should be a law against that type of thing.
On the Blues website last season, if I remember rightly that free CAC membership was initially advertised to all who purchased a season ticket. Then it was miraculously changed to Arms Park clubhouse membership. Did somebody from CAC protest, because I don't know if they did and why did CRFC Ltd think they could get away it in the first place? Is there nobody to say hang on a minute, you are over stepping the mark somewhat? They seem to be able to do what the hell they like with impunity.
Also we were told at the last CAC AGM that I went to that questions relating to the Blues would not be allowed. Why not? The goings on with the Blues affects us all. Money generated by CAP is shared throughout the club I would have thought, but are the Blues getting a much bigger share now, considering the expense of moving to SdR?
Oh, better not mention using the clubhouse for watching the Amlin final and all that. Might upset somebody!!!
I understand from what I read and the rantings by a few in the clubhouse that not all CRFC board members are content. I've heard this and that and other things too, but they are just words and nothing else. When is somebody going to come out of their comfy closet and say what is going on is bollocks? Maybe something is happening behind the scenes that I don't know about, I don't know.
Basically everything pisses me off and it breaks my heart to walk through CAP everyday.
Yes i'm annoyed, very annoyed.
CAC did deal with the membership issue. Hence the Ltd co changing the reference to it.
Re the issue of CAP disappearing from the websites. The AGM could not debate it as it happened after the AGM. I don't know if comment has been made since.
No comment from the Magners League as yet or, I understand, from CRFC Ltd on the issue.
Keith is CAC Chairman and is also a CRFC Ltd Board Member but he is restricted as to what he can say because of his position on the Board of Directors, rest assured however that he also is unhappy about things. It's difficult because there are different organisations involved, at the CRFC Ltd. AGM is the opportunity for shareholders to voice their opinion but at the end of the day the bigger the shareholding you can wave the more you will get listened to. At the Rugby section AGM only things pertinent to the Rugby Section can be discussed and similarly at the Cardiff Athletic Club AGM only CAC business can be discussed. The questions you are raising are relevant to the CRFC Ltd AGM and should be asked by shareholders.
Regarding CAC membership, yes the Management Committee did protest and the result is that CAC Membership is no longer given without the due process of Membership Application through the CAC Management Committee.
Basically Cardiff Rugby Football Club Ltd pay Cardiff Athletic Club a rental fee for Cardiff Arms Park, in return they get to operate CAP and use it to generate income, mainly parking fees, the rental paid to CAC is only a small percentage of what is taken in operating revenue so essentially CAP is a cash cow for CRFC Ltd. CRFC Ltd are also responsible for the upkeep of CAP. What Peter Thomas is hoping and praying for is the sale of CAP so that he can be compensated for the remaining period of his lease, that will enable him to recoup his "investment" in Cardiff Blues. The sale of CAP can only be made with the consent of CAC Members unless it is purchased by Cardiff City Council by Compulsory Purchase Order under the Urban Regeneration Scheme. CCC can't CPO CAP because they don't have the necessary money and in the current financial climate it's unlikely in the short term that they would be able to raise sufficient investment to do so.
Hopefully that answers your points.
Big Al from sunny Bournemouth: Regarding CAC membership, yes the Management Committee did protest and the result is that CAC Membership is no longer given without the due process of Membership Application through the CAC Management Committee.
Apart from those of us who were members prior to the move to SdR and have continued to purchase a B'lose Season Ticket.
Big Al from sunny Bournemouth: The sale of CAP can only be made with the consent of CAC Members unless it is purchased by Cardiff City Council by Compulsory Purchase Order under the Urban Regeneration Scheme. CCC can't CPO CAP because they don't have the necessary money and in the current financial climate it's unlikely in the short term that they would be able to raise sufficient investment to do so.
The sale of CAP can only be made with the consent of CAC Members unless it is purchased by Cardiff City Council by Compulsory Purchase Order under the Urban Regeneration Scheme. CCC can't CPO CAP because they don't have the necessary money and in the current financial climate it's unlikely in the short term that they would be able to raise sufficient investment to do so.
The only way Mr Berman could do this would be to increase Council Tax drastically.
Given that a) there will need to be belt tightening anyway next year, due to cuts passed down from Whitehall, and b) he would have to raise Council Tax to get the money to pay for a CPO, it is unlikely to even be on the agenda at CCC.
I'm sure Mr Berman wouldn't want to end his parties control of the Council any earlier than the next local elections ;)
Unless the Council wins the Euro Millions ( I hope they are not wasting our money by entering!), or someone like Terry Matthews wants to put his newly discarded toys into the City and County of Cardiff's pram, I can't see CAP being sold before the end of the current lease with the PieMan. When the lease expires, assuming it is not renewed, then presumably the PieMan/Cardiff Rugby Football Club Ltd would have no call on it, or the car park money!
Obviously by then the whole population of the B'lose 'region' will be fighting each other off with a sh!tty stick to get tickets for sellout games at SdR.
Nurse! My drugs please
Big birds flying across the sky,
Throwing shadows on our eyes.
Leave us Helpless, helpless, helpless
Good to know that CAC did protest, but what bothers me is that CRFC Ltd did what they did, knowing full well that what they were doing at the time was wrong.
I’ve wondered whose decision it was to advertise free CAC membership for new ST holders? Was it a board decision, a board member or members, or possibly someone further down the ladder? Whoever it was did they pass it by Keith? I mean he is chairman of CAC and on the board of CRFC Ltd, so was he consulted on the matter? If not, why not?
Now we have the situation of references to CAP strangely disappearing from results pages of the Cardiff Blues and Magners League websites. Is anybody, other than us, questioning this? How do we know if questions are being asked or not? If there is nothing untoward going on how do we find out that is the case?
The point I’m trying to make is that we only seem to find out what has happened, at an AGM which could be months after the event. Therefore is there another avenue of information available to us?
The obvious answer to your question is ask Keith Morgan, he is your representative on the CRFC Ltd BoD and he is the Chairman of CAC.
He is a very friendly guy and readily available in the Members Lounge before and after a Premiership game, if you don't know who he is just ask somebody, he is well known in the clubhouse.
Big Al from sunny Bournemouth: he is well known in the clubhouse.
he is well known in the clubhouse.
Is he well know to the police too?
If your friends dont like rugby ....get new friends!
Toulousain: ...what bothers me is that CRFC Ltd did what they did, knowing full well that what they were doing at the time was wrong...
...what bothers me is that CRFC Ltd did what they did, knowing full well that what they were doing at the time was wrong...
Do you really think it would bother certain people involved in the running of CRFC Ltd? The mere fact that they were advertising something they could not deliver?
Toulousain: I’ve wondered whose decision it was to advertise free CAC membership for new ST holders? Was it a board decision, a board member or members, or possibly someone further down the ladder? Whoever it was did they pass it by Keith? I mean he is chairman of CAC and on the board of CRFC Ltd, so was he consulted on the matter? If not, why not?
This is not a board call. It is day to day business call. So the buck would stop with Tina "I haven't got a clue", since she is the Marketing Director. (stop laughing at the back!) I'm sure that other board members would be involved to so degree. People such as the Chief Executive and the Accountant are likely to be "in the know" alog with the Chairman I would guess.
Toulousain: Now we have the situation of references to CAP strangely disappearing from results pages of the Cardiff Blues and Magners League websites. Is anybody, other than us, questioning this? How do we know if questions are being asked or not? If there is nothing untoward going on how do we find out that is the case? The point I’m trying to make is that we only seem to find out what has happened, at an AGM which could be months after the event. Therefore is there another avenue of information available to us?
We keep on asking the questions of the board. We, as individuals, write and write and write to them airing our concerns are adfress letters to each individual member of the board so that anything that is done quietly gets to each one.. I would suggest that open letters to the Echo / Wester Fail would also put the matter in the public domain.
Sadly too many supporters just do not care to do anything.
I have just check and both the ML and the Cardiff Blues Websites have now been corrected.
David Jordan has not replied. Nor, to my knowledge, have the club replied yet to Jules.
At least the record stands corrected.
On Cardiff Blues.com Saturday 22nd October 2005 and Friday 11th January 2008 both have venue as TBA when it was actually Cardiff Arms Park, plus of course all of the 2008-09 season presently listed as TBA when it was actually Cardiff Arms Park.
Still some way to go I feel !
Chaps, do you think perhaps you're in danger of attributing too much importance to a website cock up?
Bear in mind that the Cardiff Blues website removed Sam warburton from the squad page, replaced him briefly with Roger Warren from five years ago, and have still to put him back. They're a bit prone to boo boos. Which is obviously worth pointing out because it looks amateurish but it doesn't neccesarily point to a deeper conspiracy.
The problem being that if you're seen to make a big deal out of things which are actually down to accident not machiavellian design, it can perhaps discredit the other strong, valid points you're making about the way the business is being run.